Selby Steam Fair 2010

[mikem]

Originally Posted by jamespeterbrett

I have yet to see a showler that looks anything like "good" they are all crap, and a complete disregard for authentic exhibits and true preservation, and in no way offers any form of conservation. Quite historically degrading!

If the owner wanted a contrivance like that, why not buy one, there’s a few for sale, Preston’s have been trying to sell the Tabors old one for some time!

What will be next? a Aveling compound SV roller, cut about to have a winch drum under the boiler, and front wheels and traction engine type smoke box to be passed off as a ploughing engine? If the engines in question had be nothing put a pile of scrap, say with the rolls/forks missing then I prob wouldn’t be against them being made into something new, as there was prob little hope of the being restored easily to their original format, but to cut a historically important artifact about, and to smother it in makeup and pass it off for a piece of crap is degrading!

Like wise, people passing of their gorgeous 8NHP showman’s and road locos off on paper as 10NHP. perhaps these people (who seem to do it to boost their ego) should research the build history of their steed a bit more and learn to appreciate genuine traction engine (and British engineering) history a bit more!

James, I did have a quiet chuckle to myself with regard to your statement about true preservation and your last sentence about how people should research build history. ISTR reading an factually incorrect article by your self on another forum about the history of a famous Lincolnshire based company. A sure case of the Pot calling the Kettle.

[jamespeterbrett]

Originally Posted by mikem

James, I did have a quiet chuckle to myself with regard to your statement about true preservation and your last sentence about how people should research build history. ISTR reading an factually incorrect article by your self on another forum about the history of a famous Lincolnshire based company. A sure case of the Pot calling the Kettle.

Beg pardon? Any article written by myself has always been researched to the best of all abilities and also checked by persons other then myself with equal and in most cases far greater knowledge than myself! If you have a problem with the document I provided, then I recommend you contact me privately, any additional info or something that is in fact not correct (despite of the info I researched) then it can be corrected, or an additional note added.

MY STATEMENT ON HERE refers more to the fact of the open LYING and deliberate miss-informing of some engines, in regards to a higher horsepower factor than what the engines in question where original quoted as having left the works with. admittedly on power tests, a lot of engines BHP measurement is greater than that of the direct mathematical equation of converting NHP to approximate BHP (a mathematical theorem which is not completely adequate) and also the measurement of NHP also left a lot to be desired in regards to most manufactures relying on the theorem of a equation biased towards piston area and not taking into account of the cylinders volume or pressure released into them. I am also aware of some engines that have been re-bored in preservation, and it is possible that the extra NHP has been achieved thou this method.

Furthermore any exhibit of mine is researched to as best of the information openly available, and the facts given to the public are true. I would never sign my name against any statement or document that contained deliberate lies. It is a fact that in any research will not be 100% fool proof. Look at the believes of the worlds scientist over the past 200 years, and how facts provided by them etc have altered accidently!