WESES Road run
 

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Spot the TT members
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More can be found here

At least 7, although one wouldn't own up to it! ;)

Lol

Video of Clinker tackling the hill, sadly no sound though.

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Few pictures from the day...

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Not steam but I was pretty impressed with the paint job on this tractor unit!!

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Hi

Looked and sounded pretty good to me! Cheers for the pics and the video!

Dave

I spy Flip Flop!

Just watched the video again and there is sound!!

Wow, did he make a mess of that, couldnt find the drain cocks ?

Steve.

looked good to me, thats what happens when your ash pan is air tight like they should be !!!!

Thats the same as what i thought.
ps. My ash pan fits like that.

Mine Isn't, but soon will be ;).

Wasting coal :o

Actually I had sufficient fire to climb the hill with the damper closed and, a tight fitting damper always leaves white vapour; according to respected and reliable sources, that is the ideal way to ascend a hill?

You've got to be there to cock it up?:D

And water.

Looked and sounded good though, but then again it is a Burrell

Yes but I get that for free...

lol
So do I

So all the other engines on the run got it wrong as they did not have large amounts of "white vapour" comming out of chimneys

Cant afford to go to this show !!!!! only £90 for 4 days and 40miles of travel !!!!!

Steve.

Your words not mine; I said "according to respected and reliable sources, that is the ideal way to ascend a hill.

Just GO for the LOVE of STEAM thumbsup

Well said Scoobie ! The money is handy but we have been to events where there is no cash incentive and thoroughly enjoyed them.

Charlie D

I go to what rallies I enjoy and the WESES rally is not on that list. I also go to most rallies for nothing but enjoyment and NO payment
Looking forward to Morval rally next weekend, we are always made to feel appreciated and welcome, enjoy working the engine threshing, and helping the organisers raise huge sums of money for charities.

Steve

Scooby, my love of steam starts at home, we had a great time last weekend and enjoyed our own steam !

Steve.

So i understand a white vapour commng away from exhausted steam is excessive water,noting that the engine is also blowing off i would guess that the boiler pressure is at 200 psi ? at this presure the steam should be carrying less water vapour than at say 100 psi so should not be visible at the exhaust . Also the exhaust noise of the engine changed several times during the accent of the hill, useing the "button" to gain sound effect? this would cause an engine to lift water if a little on the full side . This is how i understand it but if im wrong so be it , but all i do know to be fact is that our ashpan fits tight and doesnt give us this appearance on the road going up steep hills unless we are too full of water.

great weekend had a great time steamgirl

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...9&id=518255166 the steam car road run was at the same time but to Perranporth...but my pictures failing to show up!!!

Can anyone clarify for me why mainline locomotives show white vapor when traveling with their dampers shut?

OK, this is it, I can`t stand it any longer,I must clear my conscience, so hear I go.
Hello, name is Vincent and I am a primer,Im sorry,what can i say but that`s the way it is ,Infact I`ve primed a lot of engine`s, foden`s, burrell`s fowler`s, aveling`s, a foster and a ransome`s Wot can i say, I`m sorry I really am, I know I need help ,because deep down I know I`m going to do it again ,I suppose I can take some consolation in the fact that at least I`ve never dropped the plug, now that would be something to be ashamed about!!

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My ash pan is airtight and the engine will give off white vapour when shut, by airtight i mean any gaps at all sealed. that air tight the fire would go out if the damper was left shut and when pulling hard you struggle to open it or prehaps i go around priming all the time aswell.look through your firehole door with no fire on the grate damper shut then you will see how airtight your ashpan is if you see no light......

Steve be very careful re priming, remember Boconnoc when all were watching !!!!!

Steve.

See the photographs earlier in this thread. It must have been a prime.....look at my wife holding up an umbrella; but then again it could have been all the hot ashes (cooled by the water)!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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didnt say i havnt ever primed we were talking about ashpans i will have a look at your ashpan next time i see your engine if you like point you in the right direction.

Thanks for the offer, but as you know, dont let anyone near or up on engine, my ashpan is fine and a direct copy of the one that was in place during its working days, we dont have any problems.

Steve.

Rob, I have always assumed that it is because they - or at least most of them - use superheated steam - but I may be wrong - commentators often are, I'm told!!!!!

I'm keeping out of discussions on priming, but were not the umbrellas to protect the fair ladies against fallout of the cinder rather than nuclear type??!!

Sorry - bit of a daft question but I was just wondering why a tight fitting damper would leave a cloud of white vapour?

If anyone could take the time to explain I would be very grateful

OK, I have a friend who is a retired physics teacher who, hopefully has sorted this issue out.

Steam or water vapour is only invisible below 100C; if a tight fitting damper successfully limits enough air entering the fire box to dampen the fire within it, then the exhaust gasses from the cylinders are emitted into the chimney. This allows the steam exhausted from the cylinders to cool more quickly, thereby reaching the critical (or visible temperature) of 100C when water vapour becomes visible, or precipitates. Conversely, climbing a hill with the damper open greatly increases the mix of firebox gasses mixing with cylinder gases, thereby raising the temperature well above the critical temperature for water vapour to be visible.

So there, its not called primming anymore !!!

Steve.

But surely it is - we are talking about two completely different things here aren't we??

Steam is only invisible below 100c as there is no such thing!! Steam below 100c is water vapour - so I take it that you are saying that the gases coming out of your chimney have dropped from above 100c to below 100c halfway up the hill in the video?

Surely a typo- for invisible read visible- or can you see the steam in the gauge glass above the water?

Charlie D

Priming is the carry over of water droplets from the boiler to the cylinder with the steam. The main causes are:-

Too much water in the boiler.
Dirty water in the boiler which may foam or have sludge floating on the surface.
A worn piston and or cylinder bore which makes the engine use steam so fast that it pulls a string of water with it.
Rough handling of the engine.

Priming is accompanied by hammering in the cylinder as water cannot be compressed and often results in bent -and -broken bits of engine in severe cases.

'White' steam at the chimney top is a result of low fire temperatures-and therefore low gas temperatures which allow the exhaust steam to condense when the steam reaches the air. Some engines have very airtight ashpans which stifle the fire, and therefore cause white steam, conversely if you have watched the replica steam carriage called Enterprise you never see steam from that as the exhaust is reheated in a heat exchanger in the boiler.

Charlie D