Pickering - Friday 3 August 2012
 

Some different engines at Pickering today.

First up Fowler 7871, a really treat. This engine was sold at the Willie Smith sale a few years ago and needed a good deal of work which it has clearly had:

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...5-DSC_1404.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...6-DSC_1724.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...2-DSC_1400.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...2-DSC_1256.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...4-DSC_1258.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...6-DSC_1261.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...8-DSC_1739.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...6-DSC_1265.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...7-DSC_1280.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...1-DSC_1331.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...9-DSC_1335.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...3-DSC_1250.jpg


An engine which I have not seen before is Wallis & Steevens Traction 7013, which is with the Stafford family at Houghton-le-Spring:

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...6-DSC_1434.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...1-DSC_1442.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...5-DSC_1849.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...1-DSC_1889.jpg


Mr Whitwell bought this Fowler conversion, I don't know the number although I believe it is the one for sale in the back of the current copy of OG. The name seems very apt!

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...9-DSC_1368.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...8-DSC_1753.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...8-DSC_1758.jpg


Saunders bought along their newly purchased Foden, 13708. This was the first time I have ever seen this engine in steam:

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...2-DSC_1790.jpg

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...9-DSC_1792.jpg


And they also had their also newly purchased Sentinel Steam Bus providing rides:

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...5-DSC_1718.jpg


I took loads more pics and there was some more interesting things to look at. I'll post a few more tomorrow if nobody else does when I get back from South Cerney.

nice to see Willie's engine

Mr Whitwells Fowler is No 9009 and is definatly not for sale.

Chris.

nice to see staffords wallis have made a good job of it after it came out of the freddie greenweells sale a few years ago.mr whitwells engine was re built by him an has never been a roller ie"conversion "

It was never a showmans engine either!!

Presumably it is the one with the 3 speed crank ex Messrs Boesing & Cloggs?

Perhaps too the Cylinder off 7871?.

I think Mr Cloggs still has the crank off 7871.

First time i have seen LIMITED abbreviated to LIM,D instead ot Ltd on the Fowler,must be pre something !!!

I went today and as far as I'm concerned it's the best Pickering show I've been to .
Most of the steam exhibits are in the lower fields and parade around the hard standing ring .
It would be interesting to know how the exhibitors found this years show , as I have said it's the best I've attended since I started going to rallies back in 2004 thumbsup

Dave

FOWLER ??
 

Went over to Pickering last night--a good night out and a nice selection of engines,but certainly not the large gathering that was hinted to in the publicity about 50 in total--I was also told that the Whitwell fowler was 9009, it doesn't look quite right to my eye, certainly has new wheels, dynamo bracket etc.--isn't listed in the traction engine register--9004 is as a D2 roller seems the most likely candidate to me ?

Its a bit bigger than any D2 roller David, its definatly 9009.

Chris.

BIGGER
 

I certainly agree Chris it is very much in the style of a B6 compared with Carry On--if anything even bigger the front wheels seem a little oversized--but where has it come from I've certainly never heard of it before ?

other side of the world.

Chris.

SRL ?
 

Nudge Nudge Wink Wink Say No More--but surely it was never a showmans engine ?

never had showmans engines over there, it was just a RL when it arrived, he`s made one hell of a job with it, new wheels, tender, boiler, all brass boiler fittings, new motion, all made in his own workshop.

Chris.

I agree, it certainly "looks the part" but how much of it was made by Fowler's, from your list above it sounds like just the cylinder block ?

He should be concentrating his obviously very good engineering skills on producing new builds instead of conversions. Just my 2p worth.

Phil

9004 is a single cylinder D2 10 ton roller and is tucked up safe and sound far from Pickering .

PHEW
 

thanks for that --good to here--it was just a thought as numbers do often get a little mixed up.

So is 9005 Bob.

Didnt think it was a roller, just looking at the photos , the proportions are 'right'. Whats the history of this then?

I agree , Mr Whitwell has all the workshop skills, he should be making new builds, there's one suggestion in the 'Historic photo' thread if you look!

Many now excepted showmans engines never carried showmans fittings when new, but I dont see people pulling them apart.

What is the history of Fowler 7871 - is that 'CC' registration not Caernarfonshire???? Then Antrim sign writing..... Hedd??? :confused:

I have never seen a detailed history for the engine either, interested to know more. Did it go to Ireland new? I understand it was used as a showmans engine for part of it's life, there was mention on here of it being restored as a showmans engine. It is listed in the fairground heritage trust list as having showland owners but they don't say with which family. I didn't see anybody around the engine at Pickering to ask.

Here is a picture of the engine I have found as it was sold at the auction, I believe it was originally posted on TT but since disappeared. Interesting to note what little they started with:

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/tth/12...19f53b53_z.jpg

who owns it now, anyone know ???.

Chris.

Reading the thread about it more closely I understand it was sold with a cylinder:
http://www.tractiontalkforum.com/showthread.php?p=20037

only history I have is to a Mr Bradley in 2008 in Eire, I to have it listed as a showmans road loco.

I may be wrong but I think you will find Crankshaft flywheel and most of the motion along with brass boiler fittings came from my shed !

From emory either Simons or Teago, as noted Caernarvonshire as was.

But there was another lot in the auction, a cylinder casting, a crankshaft, and damaged flywheel..........

Fowler B5 9009 was exported to Angola.

any pics of what the chap started with

See pic above Alex!
Whatever, I think they've done a cracking job. And ,as said above , if she was a showmans at some point in her working life, then its down to the owner as to what he restores her as.

did the traveller camp cause any problems this year as previous?

I think there is discussion at crossed purposes here!

If I've followed it correctly, the summary is as follows:
The 'showmans' is an ex-Angola road locomotive - so quite clearly NOT a genuine showmans, and has never been one.

The engine shown by David at a sale, minus cylinder, is 7871. This engine apparently DOES have showland history. Whether it ever became a fully fitted showmans or not is a different matter.

No problems at all. Security was the best yet. Show went off very well. Only one problem; it clashes with an event in Gloucestershire.

Fowler 7871
 

Re the queries regarding the history of Fowler 7871

Built by Fowler to order K8854, 12 January 1897, for the Antrim Iron Ore Company Ltd.; the specification called for haulage of two 25-ton loads daily from Clontrace Mine to Ballymena Station, five days per week.

By April 1913 with John Ogden, Haulage Contractor, Caernarfon

To Simons & Teago (showmen), Caernarfon, April 1920; it was registered CC2753 by them. Last licensed to them in 1922, it was presumably sold due to the arrival of new Fowler 15658.

Subsequently returned to Ireland, where it saw further fairground use before having show fittings removed and being used in a quarry– see “Steaming” Vol.51 No.3, p 159/60.

Owned by the same gents that now own the Gyrotillers from Ripon.
Its a lovely engine and a lot of hard work has gone into it over the last couple of years.