Selby Steam Fair 2010
 

Good day out at Selby , one or two showers and cool in the shade but a fine day otherwise.
Better lay out this year in my opinion and a good selection of exhibits on show .

Some shots from Sunday

http://s650.photobucket.com/albums/u.../Selby%202010/


Dave

Doesn't 'Undaunted' look well? Thanks for the pics Dave

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/u...jpg?1275250604

Er , well , no .

Quite apart from anything else , the proportions are wrong , and it is interesting to work out how and why .

Seen it today, it looks very good and the owner is very pleased with his engine and dosent give a shit what people say or think.

Chris.

R I P Undaunted !

What a boring pile of parts. Id much sooner spend time looking around and talking to the owner of a nice original tar spraying roller than another run of the mill showmans. Ho hum what is done is done lets just hope it doesn't happen again...

In any other field an object that has been played around with loses much value- ie old clocks, furniture with bits married up or things drastically altered. Even they dont have fairy lights on!!

On our local show at Shrewsbury are several steam and oil engines that have been put back in working order with new engine parts but the rest of them are 'as is/was'. They look the part and show people what they looked like when earning a living.

Trevor

Im amazed with all these DNB conversions there are that noone has actualy mannaged to make one look like a proper showmans engine.
Is it just me or dose it look identicle to Turners one, Galaxy and Sovereign?

its like these actors and models who have plastic sergary in a vein atempt to look younger than they realy are. bloddy gastly.

Its a lady boy

It's not too late Bob....

What a lovely attitude to have towards people who care about things being preserved rather than destroyed for a quick profit.

There was one of those selling fudge at Shrewsbury at the weekend!.

It wasnt a very good conversion either.

And having destroyed a rare and important part of heritage,lets take it back to the county it was built and show it off in its newly f..ked up form. WHY??????
The most blatant case of mindless destruction to contaminate a rally field for many years.........YUK.

To be honest, Royal Sovereign actually looks really good. Its probably the best one I have seen that has been converted.

Bollox dose it

I have yet to see a showler that looks anything like "good" they are all crap, and a complete disregard for authentic exhibits and true preservation, and in no way offers any form of conservation. Quite historically degrading!

If the owner wanted a contrivance like that, why not buy one, there’s a few for sale, Preston’s have been trying to sell the Tabors old one for some time!

What will be next? a Aveling compound SV roller, cut about to have a winch drum under the boiler, and front wheels and traction engine type smoke box to be passed off as a ploughing engine? If the engines in question had be nothing put a pile of scrap, say with the rolls/forks missing then I prob wouldn’t be against them being made into something new, as there was prob little hope of the being restored easily to their original format, but to cut a historically important artifact about, and to smother it in makeup and pass it off for a piece of crap is degrading!

Like wise, people passing of their gorgeous 8NHP showman’s and road locos off on paper as 10NHP. perhaps these people (who seem to do it to boost their ego) should research the build history of their steed a bit more and learn to appreciate genuine traction engine (and British engineering) history a bit more!

It's a funny old thing, but to me even original Fowler tractors look like converted rollers, how 'common' were the major components to each type?

In terms of the T3 type, probably only the boiler, cylinder and crankshaft.

The rest is considerably different. Not even the motion is the same.

Similar story for the DNA type.

No DNB 'tractors' were ever made.

Early D2's were similar, sharing most components with the Traction Engine type, but not many with the Road Loco type.

James, I did have a quiet chuckle to myself with regard to your statement about true preservation and your last sentence about how people should research build history. ISTR reading an factually incorrect article by your self on another forum about the history of a famous Lincolnshire based company. A sure case of the Pot calling the Kettle.

Im sorry, but is there really any need for such a rude reply. While I completeley disagree with the principle of converting engines, I do think that Royal Soveriegn is one of the best I have seen.

Er , what was that ?

Beg pardon? Any article written by myself has always been researched to the best of all abilities and also checked by persons other then myself with equal and in most cases far greater knowledge than myself! If you have a problem with the document I provided, then I recommend you contact me privately, any additional info or something that is in fact not correct (despite of the info I researched) then it can be corrected, or an additional note added.

MY STATEMENT ON HERE refers more to the fact of the open LYING and deliberate miss-informing of some engines, in regards to a higher horsepower factor than what the engines in question where original quoted as having left the works with. admittedly on power tests, a lot of engines BHP measurement is greater than that of the direct mathematical equation of converting NHP to approximate BHP (a mathematical theorem which is not completely adequate) and also the measurement of NHP also left a lot to be desired in regards to most manufactures relying on the theorem of a equation biased towards piston area and not taking into account of the cylinders volume or pressure released into them. I am also aware of some engines that have been re-bored in preservation, and it is possible that the extra NHP has been achieved thou this method.

Furthermore any exhibit of mine is researched to as best of the information openly available, and the facts given to the public are true. I would never sign my name against any statement or document that contained deliberate lies. It is a fact that in any research will not be 100% fool proof. Look at the believes of the worlds scientist over the past 200 years, and how facts provided by them etc have altered accidently!

Like wise, people passing of their gorgeous 8NHP showman’s and road locos off on paper as 10NHP.

There is truth in what you say James, but lets not forget that it also happen the otherway round too. like the back cover of the latest steaming for example, and the TER.

Regards

Matt

i will have a look now lol, cant say i can even rember what is on the bk cover of steaming..

With its daft looking wheels, gross paint job and over sized canopy?

I don't think the wheels look daft, and the Canopy seems pretty well proportioned in my view. As for the paint job, what is wrong with it?

Only last weekend at Innishannon were we complemented on the paintwork. Oh, how peoples taste differ. Never mind though, its mine and I like it. Which engine is yours then ?

Ive got a black and yellow Mamod and an open crank 2 HP Ruston and Hornsby Barn engine.

Do you have pictures of the Ruston? what model is it? We have just bought a 5hp 1912 Hornsby