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Old 17th March 2022, 08:01 AM
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Hi Iain,

good question! In theory it should be like that, as your miniature (or full size) is road registered. Still you might run into problems as by now, EU-authorities might or might not accept 3rd country (here UK-boiler) certifications. But, not being in that position, I never dug into that, so this is only my very personal view, I might be wrong on this ��.

So if you plan to visit, say, Doort in Stoom with your engine, firstly discuss with the organizer and make sure your insurance would cover that. Again only my musings.

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Old 17th March 2022, 09:49 AM
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My thoughts would be that the insurance company is the one that must be happy with the boiler inspection as they are the one taking the risk?

Interesting conversation. If you were not going to a rally, but just driving round Europe then there is nobody other than your insurance company that matters? I don't see why it should be different at a rally? That's not to say it isn't as it may be down to their insurance.

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Old 17th March 2022, 10:35 AM
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Hmmm, AFAIK insurance is not the only one to make happy. I remember talking to guys in UK who had their engines put on a pallet and ashpan removed just to make sure they would not fire it up. They had valid boiler tests issued by a German (at least non UK based) official autority, still they could not be used. Extreme, but yes. That‘s what I also was told when I asked to come to a miniature rally (being a member of said club), no UK boiler test (the complete one) no firing, regardless of any non UK boiler papers - that was before „B“…

First of all I can go to rallies over here (like Doort or others) it‘s just that for a rally at any weekend on continental Europe there is about 25 in the UK at the same time so there are a lot more choices. There sometimes are soet of get-togethers of like-minded people who meet and steam together. If it‘s done on private ground, nobody (well, almost nobody) can stop you.

As for insurance: traction engines and miniatures are a rare breed over here, there is no specialist broker or insurance which takes care of that aspect. My traction engine is covered under my personal liability insurance, as I discussed that with my friendly insurance agent. Just to make sure they know what I am talking about I send the pictures and a copy of the boiler inspection, just to make sure that if anything happens I have my paperwork in due order. And a rally organizer (on one of the few) will possibly ask for insurance and boiler inspection, so better be prepared.

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Getting back to 'Dordt in Stoom'. (Thank you for no-one pointing out that I can't spell Dordt.) The Facebook page for "Mooi Dordrecht" (Beautiful Dordrecht) has a posting today advertising this year's event. There are four photos from previous years - including this well known East Anglian Fowler A9 Road Loco, no. 15467:



I think the miniature in the background is "one of ours" too. They are going to miss us!
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Old 19th March 2022, 07:27 AM
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Moving engines across the border and back isnt too difficult you just need a carnet and these can be used multiple times for the same price. Officially you would need to put down all tools etc but realistically they don't need to see all that on the paperwork. All you do is pop into the customs office at each end and get the paperwork stamped which is a painless process and no one has even checked what's in my trailer yet.

Silly thing is the trailer is worth £6000 and I was told not to bother putting that on the paperwork as it's the transport so makes bit of a farce of it all and the customs boys no that!
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Old 21st March 2022, 09:07 AM
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Hi Tom,

sounds interesting and differs from what I was told.

Just a quick question, though: When did you last do that, i.e. pass the border like that? There seems to be a huge difference between pre and after „B“ And was that as a company or as a private person? That also seems to differ very much

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